Too Much to Talk About.
TOO Much to Talk About .
Posts and quotes from the book: ALAN TURING: The Enigma By Andrew Hodges Simon and Schuster New York. Copyright 1983 Related Item PBS-BBC show entitled Breaking the Code by Hugh Whitmore, based on The Enigma.
From Page 131,
"As for the Procter Fellowship, it did indeed fall into his lap. It was for the Vice _chancellor of Cambridge University to nominate the Fellow, so there were letters of recommendation sent to him. One of these was from the Wizard himself, who wrote:
June 1, 1937
"Mr. A.M.Turing has informed me that is applying for a Proctor (SIC) Visiting Fellowship to Princeton University from Cambridge for the year 1937-1938. I should like to support his application and to inform you that I know Mr. Turing very well from Previous years: during the last term of 1935 ,When I was visiting Professor in Cambridge and during the 1936-1937, which year Mr. Turing has spent in Princeton, I had opportunity to observe his scientific work. He has done good work in branches of Mathematics in which I am interested, namely: theory of almost periodic functions, and theory of continuous groups.
I think that he is a most deserving candidate for the Proctor Fellowship, and I should be very glad it you should find it possible to award one to him.
I am Respectfully, John von Neumann ""
Von Neumann would have been asked to write the letter, because his name carried such weight. But why did he make no mention of COMPUTABLE NUMBERS, a far more substantial piece of work than the papers to which he referred? Had Alan failed to make him aware of it, even after the paper had been printed and reprints sent around? If Alan had the "entree" with von Neumann, the first thing he should have done was to exploit it to help bring COMPUTABLE NUMBERS To attention. It would be typical of what was perceived as his lack of worldly sense, If he had been too shy to push his work upon the 'mathematical bigwig'. "
From Rich,,,,,,
Autism unless it is figured out like ours is, 'Social Autism ' typically doesn't work that way, obviously as Alan and author Hodges figured out.
People must remember we learn social things like-power struggles-and self promotion well after the fact and while traditional populations make light of their achievement with ease Aspies generally just want to be left alone, not since we are anti social to some degree but since (good guess here) it is just too complicated to bring up the obvious form a picture thought point of view. If Alan were to have pushed his Computable Numbers Paper to von Neumann it would have required many many picture thoughts and they all in one form or another would have needed "translated to words." Alan seemed to learn enough traditional thought patterns and social clues by now to do the conversation, asking Von Neumann for the letter and, Honestly he did wonders on that point alone. He might really have messed up socially if had attempted to explain his Paper and it accolades as well. As an Aspie Alan might well have figure out the conversation or the probable conversation he would have had and added the Computable Numbers Award in the conversation but still it would have been nearly Autistically impossible. That would have been "millions" more picture thoughts to translate.
As it was Alan was probably working with traditional optic vision during his conversation with von Neumann as he had autistically rehearsed it. This way he could read the body language and gauge how well he was getting his point across. If Alan had Picture-in-Picture Thought developed at this point he might have been able to slip in a jab about his prior work. Picture-in Picture Thought is super advanced Autism that many in our anthropology seem to have developed naturally on our own via trial and error. Alan might not have realized his work was so important and might have assumed "everyone' in his math circles knew of his work. Autistic people generally have the assumption that every one in their field thinks like they do and 'know things' as they know it.
In reality from my own experience and hindsight in Car Repair,(trouble shooting) I can assure you people will take credit for my ideas or do my fixes and follow my suggestions and take credit for the success. Often Times they can't explain the theory of why a repair worked or the logic I used in solving the problem but still it was an obviously working fix. I also have ran across lot of homophobia as well in my time and there have been times if I'd been straight I'd been a saint and WAS a Saint occasionally after a particularly difficult repair worked but, sometimes all my work was flushed and purposely down played when they discovered I was gay. What person would believe a gay guy could ever work on a car let alone troubleshoot a car. Queer Eye for the Straight Guy Charm School while great at making us social was lacking in mechanical things! I once watched a fellow mechanic pocket a $1500 Bonus on my work, He could not explain a bit of the fix that he presented to the big wigs but he didn't have to, it worked and he was first in line with the "idea." Autisitcs mistakenly assume people are generally fair and forthcoming and in this case would give or share the bonus with the everyone involved. While that makes us honorable many times it also gives the image we are weak. Generally the greed function is more entranced in traditional populations.
Even I were Straight and his best friend I could not have easily explained autistic theory to the average person and by the time I would have finally explained my fix to others I'd lost them as they are not picture Thinkers and don't have a clue to our complicated precise and active in the problem point of view that SOLVED Their problem. We are in a way like a micro camera in a persons body getting a nuts and bolts perspective on nearly everything we do. That insight points out the obvious to us Autistic details that often give us our advantage in real life but it is also the very stuff that non autistic thinkers miss and need to know to understand us. I can just imagine the guru of Autism that reads this will call it "Greek" and indeed it is to them but it doesn't have to be, they could listen to our theories and success if they wanted too. We are working savants, and still they refuse to listen to us.
No matter your take on this the fact remains Alan wasn't able to have flowing conversations like our traditional counterparts do. We were all, by the way learning autism on our own via trial and error in a double-blind experiment. The good news is our double-blind Experience lays the ground work for teaching Aspie 101 Social skills. IF such a class is ever taught Autisitcs will come out nearly 100% normal. This might not happen in my life time as our traditional thought Based Autism GURU "experts,"well simply miss the entire point to autism.
Alas we find ourselves in "Aspieland" in 2006 and Autistic people are diagnosed and thus hampered from our double blind experience. As you have just read here Autism is not all that great even social autism like we have figured out labors really hard to get our most basic details across. If we barely do it and traditional people are not smart enough to do more than plagiarize our good points the logic of autism will remain forever hidden, no thanks to Rain Man's unintentional curse.
For the novice firstime readers of this blog, Picture thought could be equal to and better than your traditional thoughts. If you tried to describe a day dream or a dream this is like an autism thought. Now try to add 100 day dreams to develop. You know the trouble you have explaining it so now to think of how hard 20 of those a minute would be, No wonder we don't have time for grudge and details that you thrive on! See Alan did good just doing what he did!
Posts and quotes from the book: ALAN TURING: The Enigma By Andrew Hodges Simon and Schuster New York. Copyright 1983 Related Item PBS-BBC show entitled Breaking the Code by Hugh Whitmore, based on The Enigma.
From Page 131,
"As for the Procter Fellowship, it did indeed fall into his lap. It was for the Vice _chancellor of Cambridge University to nominate the Fellow, so there were letters of recommendation sent to him. One of these was from the Wizard himself, who wrote:
June 1, 1937
"Mr. A.M.Turing has informed me that is applying for a Proctor (SIC) Visiting Fellowship to Princeton University from Cambridge for the year 1937-1938. I should like to support his application and to inform you that I know Mr. Turing very well from Previous years: during the last term of 1935 ,When I was visiting Professor in Cambridge and during the 1936-1937, which year Mr. Turing has spent in Princeton, I had opportunity to observe his scientific work. He has done good work in branches of Mathematics in which I am interested, namely: theory of almost periodic functions, and theory of continuous groups.
I think that he is a most deserving candidate for the Proctor Fellowship, and I should be very glad it you should find it possible to award one to him.
I am Respectfully, John von Neumann ""
Von Neumann would have been asked to write the letter, because his name carried such weight. But why did he make no mention of COMPUTABLE NUMBERS, a far more substantial piece of work than the papers to which he referred? Had Alan failed to make him aware of it, even after the paper had been printed and reprints sent around? If Alan had the "entree" with von Neumann, the first thing he should have done was to exploit it to help bring COMPUTABLE NUMBERS To attention. It would be typical of what was perceived as his lack of worldly sense, If he had been too shy to push his work upon the 'mathematical bigwig'. "
From Rich,,,,,,
Autism unless it is figured out like ours is, 'Social Autism ' typically doesn't work that way, obviously as Alan and author Hodges figured out.
People must remember we learn social things like-power struggles-and self promotion well after the fact and while traditional populations make light of their achievement with ease Aspies generally just want to be left alone, not since we are anti social to some degree but since (good guess here) it is just too complicated to bring up the obvious form a picture thought point of view. If Alan were to have pushed his Computable Numbers Paper to von Neumann it would have required many many picture thoughts and they all in one form or another would have needed "translated to words." Alan seemed to learn enough traditional thought patterns and social clues by now to do the conversation, asking Von Neumann for the letter and, Honestly he did wonders on that point alone. He might really have messed up socially if had attempted to explain his Paper and it accolades as well. As an Aspie Alan might well have figure out the conversation or the probable conversation he would have had and added the Computable Numbers Award in the conversation but still it would have been nearly Autistically impossible. That would have been "millions" more picture thoughts to translate.
As it was Alan was probably working with traditional optic vision during his conversation with von Neumann as he had autistically rehearsed it. This way he could read the body language and gauge how well he was getting his point across. If Alan had Picture-in-Picture Thought developed at this point he might have been able to slip in a jab about his prior work. Picture-in Picture Thought is super advanced Autism that many in our anthropology seem to have developed naturally on our own via trial and error. Alan might not have realized his work was so important and might have assumed "everyone' in his math circles knew of his work. Autistic people generally have the assumption that every one in their field thinks like they do and 'know things' as they know it.
In reality from my own experience and hindsight in Car Repair,(trouble shooting) I can assure you people will take credit for my ideas or do my fixes and follow my suggestions and take credit for the success. Often Times they can't explain the theory of why a repair worked or the logic I used in solving the problem but still it was an obviously working fix. I also have ran across lot of homophobia as well in my time and there have been times if I'd been straight I'd been a saint and WAS a Saint occasionally after a particularly difficult repair worked but, sometimes all my work was flushed and purposely down played when they discovered I was gay. What person would believe a gay guy could ever work on a car let alone troubleshoot a car. Queer Eye for the Straight Guy Charm School while great at making us social was lacking in mechanical things! I once watched a fellow mechanic pocket a $1500 Bonus on my work, He could not explain a bit of the fix that he presented to the big wigs but he didn't have to, it worked and he was first in line with the "idea." Autisitcs mistakenly assume people are generally fair and forthcoming and in this case would give or share the bonus with the everyone involved. While that makes us honorable many times it also gives the image we are weak. Generally the greed function is more entranced in traditional populations.
Even I were Straight and his best friend I could not have easily explained autistic theory to the average person and by the time I would have finally explained my fix to others I'd lost them as they are not picture Thinkers and don't have a clue to our complicated precise and active in the problem point of view that SOLVED Their problem. We are in a way like a micro camera in a persons body getting a nuts and bolts perspective on nearly everything we do. That insight points out the obvious to us Autistic details that often give us our advantage in real life but it is also the very stuff that non autistic thinkers miss and need to know to understand us. I can just imagine the guru of Autism that reads this will call it "Greek" and indeed it is to them but it doesn't have to be, they could listen to our theories and success if they wanted too. We are working savants, and still they refuse to listen to us.
No matter your take on this the fact remains Alan wasn't able to have flowing conversations like our traditional counterparts do. We were all, by the way learning autism on our own via trial and error in a double-blind experiment. The good news is our double-blind Experience lays the ground work for teaching Aspie 101 Social skills. IF such a class is ever taught Autisitcs will come out nearly 100% normal. This might not happen in my life time as our traditional thought Based Autism GURU "experts,"well simply miss the entire point to autism.
Alas we find ourselves in "Aspieland" in 2006 and Autistic people are diagnosed and thus hampered from our double blind experience. As you have just read here Autism is not all that great even social autism like we have figured out labors really hard to get our most basic details across. If we barely do it and traditional people are not smart enough to do more than plagiarize our good points the logic of autism will remain forever hidden, no thanks to Rain Man's unintentional curse.
For the novice firstime readers of this blog, Picture thought could be equal to and better than your traditional thoughts. If you tried to describe a day dream or a dream this is like an autism thought. Now try to add 100 day dreams to develop. You know the trouble you have explaining it so now to think of how hard 20 of those a minute would be, No wonder we don't have time for grudge and details that you thrive on! See Alan did good just doing what he did!
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